I don’t think they are misinformed. They just hate Jews and by claiming these atrocities are lies they have the veneer of respectability. They can claim they are supporting the “oppressed” Palestinians as cover for their lethality. We know this is the case because their only connection to Palestinians is their antipathy towards Jews. To me it’s glaringly obvious.
I agree with you Dena, but I do wonder if they are so self unaware that they actually believe they are in the side of good. I feel maybe this is the case. Interested to know what you think?
Indoctrinated to believe that every problem in the world is caused by colonialism, the patriarchy, anything to do with western civilisation. Apparently no other civilisations ever existed. Deeply imbedded in their own sanctimonious, self righteousness & gaining the approval of their peers. They honestly think that they impress barbarians like Hamas that they support. They don’t appear to have read any history about what happens to people like them when people like Hamas win the fight.
I'm sure they do believe they're on the side of good, but so have so many evil people throughout history (Nazis, Communists, the Inquisition etc.). As Israeli journalist Haviv Rettig Gur has said, antisemitism is a belief that Jews are the ultimate evil standing in the way of utopia. It automatically comes with a feeling of self-righteousness. This is what we see here.
Thank you so much for this, Kelli. CF and CH make me sick to my stomach. I can't bear to think about the number of people (mostly young women) they've grossly misinformed and turned into antisemites over the past 15 months - under the guise of being 'feminists' and 'humanitarians' and caring about 'minorities'. This is EXACTLY how the German people were brainwashed in the 1930s leading up to the... well, you know. A Hella Cost!
Elly I agree with you. A dear friend of mine asked me how and why Jew hate has risen up, and it’s largely the irresponsibility of cretins like this, that have infected a new generation with misinformation. It makes me so angry.
I can’t understand why any so called feminist would back anything radical Islamists say or do. Islam is the essence of misogyny, beginning when young girls have their clitorises removed. When girls grow up in Islamic culture they become literal slaves of their husbands, required to do their bidding including having sex ( which they are unable to enjoy) on demand for the husband’s pleasure and to get pregnant and bear children on command. Is it any wonder that Hamas terrorists would rape and degrade Israeli women? They are not only women but they are Jews, not even considered human by these scum. Somehow the Marxist left feels affinity for Muslims, buying into the false notion of Islamophobia. In truth, it’s not phobic to fear a religion as warlike and misogynistic as Islam. From its inception the Prophet instructed followers to kill all infidels who would not convert. This practice persists today, explaining Islamic terrorism, which kills innocents worldwide indiscriminately constantly
Because they are hypocritical frauds who are so privileged they can’t possibly imagine that “brown” oppressed men could possibly do any wrong. They are racist and they are traitors to their own cause. Truly the worst of humanity.
It's "intersectionality," where people are separated into either victims or victimizers. It's hard to explain, but there is plenty online about it and how corrosive it is.
Well written Kelli. Hope you got it all out. There may be no cure for any of this until the chickens come home to roost in Australia. They will not learn, understand, repent or say I was wrong until their own skin is in the game. It beggars belief, but look at the latest report about the cease fire deal from people like Chris Hedges - former NYT political analyst - and the one dimensionality is breathtaking. Hating Israel is an addiction, it’s a dopamine, it’s an obsession.
I would call them misogynists but that still isn’t disgusting enough. Got a feeling that Satan would fuck off back to the “right hand of God” if he came face to face with clemo-slime fraud.
It’s attention seeking. They have nothing else going for them, so promote these lies to give themselves a platform. It’s a look. These retards are not feminists. They are self serving low-lives. I just hope for a time when they have a realisation or a comeuppance, but they would simply jump on the next bandwagon. Scum. They have done womenfolk such a disservice. They don’t give a shit. Social media was made for trash like this.
Clementine Ford and Constance Hall, I would submit, are NOT misinformed. What they are, actually, is unrepentant, proud Jew-haters. They are the Australian face of the Hate-Jews/Israel left. If a jew says it, they MUST be lying (unless, of course, it's a self-hating Jew like Bernie Sanders). That's who they are. That's who many of the Israel-haters really are. To listen to them, you'd think that there was no antisemitism before 1948. Hmmm, what did they think happened at Auschwitz just a few years earlier? Were the Nazis singing kumbaya with the Jewish prisoners there?
I am so, so sick of Ford, Hall and their ilk. They are beneath contempt.
Hard to read some of this - it gets truly depressing. I have been wondering if there’s a psychological disconnect at work, though.
To elaborate (though I stress that none of this excuses any appalling behaviour):
The current cultural moment requires that we become tribal and abide by all rules of our chosen tribe. Implicit in this is that anyone holding *any* opposing viewpoint is to be attacked, even if they agree with the group on every other point. They therefore become a scapegoat (as identified by René Girard et al.) and that puts them beyond the pale of human decency of compassion.
This is of course, to put it politely, at odds with any workable adult version of reality.
But, here’s the kicker: I don’t think that people attacking political opponents actually see any real world implications. It’s all about the winning of an abstract argument and the kudos attendant on such a “victory”. Real life is just a collection of stage props. Actual flesh and blood (in a very literal sense here) isn’t of importance to their project. I suspect that’s why they choose as their causes célèbres conflicts and other events that are geographically distant: that makes them easier to abstract and thus fair game as an instrument with which to push buttons.
And so it makes possibly otherwise decent people behave like appalling public shits and the smug (inaccurate) canting we see is the logical telos. Depressing, as I said.
Thank you (again!) for ploughing through the dross and highlighting the hypocrisy - I don’t think I could face it myself. I don’t need that much anger in one go. Stay well.
To the two smug self-assured self-aggrandizing dipsticks over on the GrayZone that assert that rape doesn’t happen on battlefields. You are as ignorant as you are arrogant.
Rape as a weapon of war is a time “honored” tradition practiced by countless armies the world over.
I don’t think they are misinformed. They just hate Jews and by claiming these atrocities are lies they have the veneer of respectability. They can claim they are supporting the “oppressed” Palestinians as cover for their lethality. We know this is the case because their only connection to Palestinians is their antipathy towards Jews. To me it’s glaringly obvious.
I agree with you Dena, but I do wonder if they are so self unaware that they actually believe they are in the side of good. I feel maybe this is the case. Interested to know what you think?
Indoctrinated to believe that every problem in the world is caused by colonialism, the patriarchy, anything to do with western civilisation. Apparently no other civilisations ever existed. Deeply imbedded in their own sanctimonious, self righteousness & gaining the approval of their peers. They honestly think that they impress barbarians like Hamas that they support. They don’t appear to have read any history about what happens to people like them when people like Hamas win the fight.
They are nuts Jacky.
That’s it in a nutshell, literally 🤪😜🤪
It truly blows my mind the people follow them and are influenced by them.
Bloody scary.
"indoctrinated to believe that every problem in the world is caused by colonialism". YES!
I can see that. They are so invested in their false narrative they convince themselves it’s true.
Prof. Gad Saad explains very well the process going on in the mind of the brainwashed. You may enjoy it to listen to this.
https://youtu.be/pGQlKG7bGJo?si=PKZF_6WC-YV84_VB
Yes. I believe this is true Kelli
I'm sure they do believe they're on the side of good, but so have so many evil people throughout history (Nazis, Communists, the Inquisition etc.). As Israeli journalist Haviv Rettig Gur has said, antisemitism is a belief that Jews are the ultimate evil standing in the way of utopia. It automatically comes with a feeling of self-righteousness. This is what we see here.
Thank you so much for this, Kelli. CF and CH make me sick to my stomach. I can't bear to think about the number of people (mostly young women) they've grossly misinformed and turned into antisemites over the past 15 months - under the guise of being 'feminists' and 'humanitarians' and caring about 'minorities'. This is EXACTLY how the German people were brainwashed in the 1930s leading up to the... well, you know. A Hella Cost!
Elly I agree with you. A dear friend of mine asked me how and why Jew hate has risen up, and it’s largely the irresponsibility of cretins like this, that have infected a new generation with misinformation. It makes me so angry.
Kelli, I grew up in the rest of America in the 60s and 70s, antisemitism didn't start getting worse, it was always there
makes me sick to my stomach too.
Wouldn’t it be justice to let these people live in an real Islamic society for a year (to be kind) to see what they believe afterwards?
Yes. Also give them a year in Gaza.
no. that would likely reinforce their beliefs even more. and is not justice at all
I can’t understand why any so called feminist would back anything radical Islamists say or do. Islam is the essence of misogyny, beginning when young girls have their clitorises removed. When girls grow up in Islamic culture they become literal slaves of their husbands, required to do their bidding including having sex ( which they are unable to enjoy) on demand for the husband’s pleasure and to get pregnant and bear children on command. Is it any wonder that Hamas terrorists would rape and degrade Israeli women? They are not only women but they are Jews, not even considered human by these scum. Somehow the Marxist left feels affinity for Muslims, buying into the false notion of Islamophobia. In truth, it’s not phobic to fear a religion as warlike and misogynistic as Islam. From its inception the Prophet instructed followers to kill all infidels who would not convert. This practice persists today, explaining Islamic terrorism, which kills innocents worldwide indiscriminately constantly
Because they are hypocritical frauds who are so privileged they can’t possibly imagine that “brown” oppressed men could possibly do any wrong. They are racist and they are traitors to their own cause. Truly the worst of humanity.
It's "intersectionality," where people are separated into either victims or victimizers. It's hard to explain, but there is plenty online about it and how corrosive it is.
Well written Kelli. Hope you got it all out. There may be no cure for any of this until the chickens come home to roost in Australia. They will not learn, understand, repent or say I was wrong until their own skin is in the game. It beggars belief, but look at the latest report about the cease fire deal from people like Chris Hedges - former NYT political analyst - and the one dimensionality is breathtaking. Hating Israel is an addiction, it’s a dopamine, it’s an obsession.
Pebbles I believe you are right. Until they are personally affected, they will not understand. I feel quite disillusioned with the world.
When Clementine Ford calls anyone else a "Neo Nazi," she's simply projecting.
About time we stopped calling these “regressive” women “feminists” & just call them men. Except that is insulting to most men.
They are worse than men, less than human.
I would call them misogynists but that still isn’t disgusting enough. Got a feeling that Satan would fuck off back to the “right hand of God” if he came face to face with clemo-slime fraud.
"worse than men, less than human" ??! what makes you say something like that when you're doing exactly what they are (dehumanizing)?
I know many men who are outraged over this, and who support and believe the victims.
This story is not all over the place. It is spot on.
Thank you Shirlea
It’s attention seeking. They have nothing else going for them, so promote these lies to give themselves a platform. It’s a look. These retards are not feminists. They are self serving low-lives. I just hope for a time when they have a realisation or a comeuppance, but they would simply jump on the next bandwagon. Scum. They have done womenfolk such a disservice. They don’t give a shit. Social media was made for trash like this.
Clementine Ford and Constance Hall, I would submit, are NOT misinformed. What they are, actually, is unrepentant, proud Jew-haters. They are the Australian face of the Hate-Jews/Israel left. If a jew says it, they MUST be lying (unless, of course, it's a self-hating Jew like Bernie Sanders). That's who they are. That's who many of the Israel-haters really are. To listen to them, you'd think that there was no antisemitism before 1948. Hmmm, what did they think happened at Auschwitz just a few years earlier? Were the Nazis singing kumbaya with the Jewish prisoners there?
I am so, so sick of Ford, Hall and their ilk. They are beneath contempt.
The smugness and arrogance that they posted their “gotcha” moment made me sick.
Yup. They are utterly despicable.
The world is a mess
Hard to read some of this - it gets truly depressing. I have been wondering if there’s a psychological disconnect at work, though.
To elaborate (though I stress that none of this excuses any appalling behaviour):
The current cultural moment requires that we become tribal and abide by all rules of our chosen tribe. Implicit in this is that anyone holding *any* opposing viewpoint is to be attacked, even if they agree with the group on every other point. They therefore become a scapegoat (as identified by René Girard et al.) and that puts them beyond the pale of human decency of compassion.
This is of course, to put it politely, at odds with any workable adult version of reality.
But, here’s the kicker: I don’t think that people attacking political opponents actually see any real world implications. It’s all about the winning of an abstract argument and the kudos attendant on such a “victory”. Real life is just a collection of stage props. Actual flesh and blood (in a very literal sense here) isn’t of importance to their project. I suspect that’s why they choose as their causes célèbres conflicts and other events that are geographically distant: that makes them easier to abstract and thus fair game as an instrument with which to push buttons.
And so it makes possibly otherwise decent people behave like appalling public shits and the smug (inaccurate) canting we see is the logical telos. Depressing, as I said.
Thank you (again!) for ploughing through the dross and highlighting the hypocrisy - I don’t think I could face it myself. I don’t need that much anger in one go. Stay well.
I feel like I'm in a Seinfeld episode where I'm being berated by Jerry for thinking Clementine is kinda hot.
“Spiked Quill, she's a Nazi!”
Jerry
“Yeah, but kind of a cute Nazi…”
The Spiked Quill
Ford is a WINO. Woman In Name Only. It's despicable. (It, not She. Sub human.)
To the two smug self-assured self-aggrandizing dipsticks over on the GrayZone that assert that rape doesn’t happen on battlefields. You are as ignorant as you are arrogant.
Rape as a weapon of war is a time “honored” tradition practiced by countless armies the world over.
Get a clue you idiots.
Agree to a ceasefire and get your people back. Then bring the heat back. Hamas will inevitably do something to justify the heat