I left this comment on another substack. I'm reposting it here and I hope you don't mind
As an American I am not going to waste my hard earned money or the lives of my soldiers on trying to teach Palestinians not to be assholes. Billions of my dollars have already been wasted on Gaza and they thanked us by butchering Jewish babies.
Now to the real issue. Ethnic cleansing. Refugees by their definition are not living in their homeland. You cannot ethnically cleanse someone from someone else's homeland or Turkey and Europe would not be expelling syrians now the Assad regime has fallen. Or is it ok for Turkey and Europe to ethnically cleanse itself of Syrians but Trump cannot ethnically cleanse gaza of Palestinians?
The truth of the matter is that the Palestinians in Gaza are not refugees. They are citizens of gaza. They have been living there for generations.They are Gazans. Plain and simple. It is time we applied the definition of refugee to the Palestinians as we apply it worldwide to everyone else.
Another issue is one of sovereignty. If there is a sovereign nation you cannot ethnically cleanse a population because they have a verified nation state/culture/government that is attached to that part of the world with verified boundaries. So if it is ethnic cleansing to move Palestinians then they are living in a sovereign nation, hence the State of Gaza or Palestine run by a sovereign government, Hamas. A nation that openly declared war on a neighboring state and has kept itself in a state of war with Israel since it became the elected government back in 2006. (no occupation either since they are a sovereign state running all their own affairs)
On another issue, sovereign states also pay a price for starting wars of genocide, which is what Hamas did. After WW2, millions of ethnic germans were ethnically cleansed from other states because nobody wanted them to live near them. After the War in Iraq, Kuwait ethnically cleansed 200,000 Palestinians because they did not want an enemy group living within its sovereign territory. So it is fair to say that after starting the October War, the Hamas government of the State of Gaza/Palestine is going to pay a price. Whether its moving the 'refugee" population to another place so that rebuilding can begin, or its formulation of a plan for the citizens of gaza, remains to be seen.
So the questions remain:
Are Palestinians refugees? If so they have no claim to ethnic cleansing since Gaza is not their homeland. If they are refugees then they can be freely moved out of the territory, so which is it? You cannot be both a refugee and a citizen of a nation.
Is Gaza a sovereign nation? if so and then there can be no ethnic cleansing because this is a verified nation state, then the people of gaza need to be held responsible for the genocidal war that their government began and there needs to be consequences. They also are not refugees but citizens of the nation of Gaza/Palestine. What those consequences should be is anyone's guess, but I would look toward how the allies dealt with Germany and Japan after WW2.
So which is it - refugee or citizen? Nation state or refugee camp, albeit a refugee camp with a tourism bureau (videos were up on YouTube), mansions, equestrian clubs, designer malls, and luxury cars, but a refugee camp anyway?
So here is the interesting thing- there has been 2 tiers of refugee status in the world since 1948. There is the refugee status of the Palestinian arab who even though a citizen of a country say like the US they are still considered refugees, or the rest of the world that once a person gets to a new country and are processed into that nation, and their future children are born, they are no longer refugees but citizens of their new country. They lose refugee status. Maybe it's time that the world makes the Palestinians follow the rules that everyone else in the world follows. If this is the only thing to come out of Mara-Gaza it would be just fine. That is what the world needs to teach the Palestinians, not Jeffersonian democracy.
Nothing wrong with reposting a worthwhile comment, especially when it is long and detailed. You and Kelli get it, and it seems so obvious it's incredible others are oblivious or brain dead to the obvious. Is Gaza an "open air prison" or not? An open air prison you don't want to leave? Give me a break. The oldest actual refugee from the 1948 war the Arab nations waged on Israel would now be 78, assuming they fled Israel to escape the war when they were 1 year old. I think Israel would allow all Palestinian refugees, those who fled Israel in 1948, to return under some peace treaty provided other Palestinians agreed to stop waging war on Israel.
I don’t know if Trump even thought about any of that. I think he saw a huge financial possibility and so did others in his little circle. But they also saw the truth and that is Gaza is a bombed out hellscape and humans really cannot exist there if they want any kind of future until its rebuilt.
Palestine is the tip of an Islamist spear pointed directly at the heart of the Judeo-Christian world, weaponised by Marxists to destroy the Western capitalist system and bring about a proletarian revolution. You only have to examine the post-1970 history of Iran to see how the union of Islamists and Marxists works in practice, for those who threw their lot in with the Khomeini revolution were quickly dispensed with by the Islamic revolutionaries.
Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in 1928 to reconstitute the Islamic caliphate in the wake of the destruction of the Ottoman Empire. The Muslim Brotherhood received funding and support from Nazi Germany during the 1930s and 1940s, its foremost figurehead being Haj Amin al-Husseini, a relative of Yasser Arafat. It therefore comes as no surprise that Mein Kampf remains a best seller not only in Gaza and the West Bank, but in many other Arab countries.
Both Hamas and Fatah are committed to the destruction of the State of Israel and harbour a visceral hatred of Jews. The only thing that separates them is the question of the use of warfare, to which Hamas is wedded, while Fatah today prefers lawfare.
Make no mistake that anyone who espouses the cause of Palestinianism is either a committed Islamist, neo-Nazi, or Marxist, or else a useful idiot willing to be exploited by these extreme forces, who remain dedicated to the cause of extinguishing the Jewish people.
Five times since 1936 the Palestinians have rejected a two state solution. The first offer in 1936 would have given them 80% of the land and the Jews 20%. The Jews said yes, the Palestinians said no. Twice since then they were offered a solution that included East Jerusalem as their capital. Each time they refused and returned to attacking Israel with the aim of claiming everything, “from the river to the sea.” Let them suffer the consequences of their behavior and evict them to Arab states such as Jordan (70% Palestinian) and Egypt. Gaza was part of Egypt until the Six Day War in 1967. Israel tried to give it back to them but Egypt refused to take it back! No surprise there. Or perhaps they can join their sponsors in Iran. Stop rewarding them with billions of dollars in aid money with the delusion that somehow this time they will behave differently, The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Time to set limits and allow the Arab world and Israel to make peace and promote prosperity in the Middle East.
This is very insightful and compassionate. Sadly we are living in a world that prefers to pour billions of dollars into arming and pandering to ignorant, miserable people who live in rubble; instead of feeding, clothing, housing and educating them so that they can thrive and be free somewhere else.
The double-think of ‘we are refugees’ and ‘we are in our ancestral homeland’ comes from wanting to double-dip on claiming victimization any way they can and relying on their eternal supporters to be as self-deluded as ever.
What's really happening is the Palestinians are looking for ways to justify what they actually want, which is the annihilation of Israel. And it tracks that they'll do and say whatever it takes to reach their goal, no matter how shameless the lie. After all, large portions of the world have been so eager to believe and disseminated those lies, and cast a blind eye to the contradictions.
We are victims in an open prison = Israel bad.
We are being ethnically cleansed from our homeland= Israel bad.
What they're really suggesting is that Gaza is fragmented. That while it is PART of their homeland, they are still refugees until ALL of Israel becomes their homeland. This is how they rationalize their position.
This doublethink also embraces the idea that it is right and noble to try to genocide Israelis in the most brutal manner possible, while demanding tons of aid trucks from them. To think of how many people are hypnotized by this deranged logic is terrifying. This narrative must be exposed, ridiculed, and rewritten to restore moral order and reason.
Hypocrites do not care about logic. Their contradictory arguments are purely emotional and meant to inflame the emotions of others. So let's not be surprised if Kelli's airtight arguments fall on deaf ears. I wish we knew how to word arguments to make irrational people listen.
In my opinion, irrational religion is the culprit underlying countless hypocrisies. Christian anti-Semitism long predated Muslim anti-Semitism when Christians viewed Jews as "Christ-killers." This anti-Semitic epithet is irrational for several reasons. One is that, according to Christianity, God wanted to sacrifice Jesus (a Jew) to redeem humanity, so why blame Judas (or anyone) for helping to carry out God's will?
More importantly, modern Jews did not kill Jesus, so anger against them is misplaced. We are not responsible for the behavior of our ancestors, whatever their alleged misbehavior. It is totally irrational to seek reparations from, or retribution against, the descendants of long-dead people who allegedly mistreated one's ancestors.
Oh, how weary I grow of humanity's irrational emotions.
Tariff $ accrue to domestic governments to begin with but the costs are impinged upon consumers in all ‘competing’ countries. Prices increase for imported goods, sales slump, Supply chains are destroyed, goods are cut off, shortages occur, prices skyrocket, deprivation occurs in industry and jobs are lost or suspended, contracts are cancelled, supply stops, demand cannot be met because trade stops, tariffs are therefore not collected, domestic GDP falls because production and sales stop, taxes are not collected, governments are deprived of normal tax revenues and can’t meet own budgets, all social payments like pensions and social payments stop. Governments fall, health care systems and education crumble, all government operations cease to provide for citizens, EVERYTHING STOPS
Domestic industries cannot always be re-tooled quickly to allow countries to Buy (Home) goods so the Promise of ‘independence’ for domestic economies is a ‘lie’ that will never come true.
A tariff or world trade ‘war’ would put the everyday people 🌎 in very deep trouble all around the 🌍 world
Too much of the world’s capital is ‘invested’ in crypto - which has always been a Ponzi scheme at heart - and produces nothing in terms of real goods and services for the world relative to what is invested instead of being invested in industry and companies that ‘produce’ goods and services
If crypto fails, and it will if big rich ‘investors’ start withdrawing their capital trillions and trillions upon trillions (quadrillions) will be lost disappearing into cyberspace
THE WORLD is in trouble because of what is threatening - TARIFFS - a domino effect would occur around the world as countries try to ‘protect’ themselves with escalating competing tariffs that only drive their own economies downwards
The rich are in power - and the rest of the world would be poor in many ways, not just monetarily - the New World Order is about to take over.
This is George Orwell’s “1984” about to happen.
3 Superpowers ran the World of “1984”
A world of destitution, privation, and persecution at the hands of the “thought police”. People are being jailed for their opinions. That is already happening in the UK. The “Online Harms Act” is ready to go in Canada. Virtually the whole world is online and trackable and traceable. The Police are showing up at people’s doors in the UK for criticisms of the Labour Party and assorted online ‘aggressions’ for ‘words’ on Facebook. The world is ready to crumble at the hands of its own governments.
The ‘Axis of Evil’ is massive and it’s growing fast.
Government Tariffs are going to reduce the world to poverty. Oppressive governments are in power. This is the ‘New World Order’ about to happen
The RICH and POWERFUL remain in power and and the WHOLE REST of the WORLD is POOR, not just monetarily, but in terms of everything that they can’t get their hands on in economies that are downsized to the bare minimum - complete government control of everything.
This is the END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT COMING SOON
This is the ‘Project’ of the “New World Order”
WW3 ‘Trade War’ Begins with Tariffs
Protest Tariffs in any country you live in.
Share. Restack, Restack and Restack
THE RICH AND POWERFUL WILL BE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO AREN’T POOR and PERSECUTED
AND IF I’m wrong, and worldwide tariffs are halted, the world remains as it is. Nothing happens. For now. The world just continues on the lunatical path it is already on.
Kelli, I align with you in so many ways, love what you love and hate what you hate, but I gotta admit that the idea of a "hypocrite detector" has me just a little bit nervous. Maybe it's just me?
I left this comment on another substack. I'm reposting it here and I hope you don't mind
As an American I am not going to waste my hard earned money or the lives of my soldiers on trying to teach Palestinians not to be assholes. Billions of my dollars have already been wasted on Gaza and they thanked us by butchering Jewish babies.
Now to the real issue. Ethnic cleansing. Refugees by their definition are not living in their homeland. You cannot ethnically cleanse someone from someone else's homeland or Turkey and Europe would not be expelling syrians now the Assad regime has fallen. Or is it ok for Turkey and Europe to ethnically cleanse itself of Syrians but Trump cannot ethnically cleanse gaza of Palestinians?
The truth of the matter is that the Palestinians in Gaza are not refugees. They are citizens of gaza. They have been living there for generations.They are Gazans. Plain and simple. It is time we applied the definition of refugee to the Palestinians as we apply it worldwide to everyone else.
Another issue is one of sovereignty. If there is a sovereign nation you cannot ethnically cleanse a population because they have a verified nation state/culture/government that is attached to that part of the world with verified boundaries. So if it is ethnic cleansing to move Palestinians then they are living in a sovereign nation, hence the State of Gaza or Palestine run by a sovereign government, Hamas. A nation that openly declared war on a neighboring state and has kept itself in a state of war with Israel since it became the elected government back in 2006. (no occupation either since they are a sovereign state running all their own affairs)
On another issue, sovereign states also pay a price for starting wars of genocide, which is what Hamas did. After WW2, millions of ethnic germans were ethnically cleansed from other states because nobody wanted them to live near them. After the War in Iraq, Kuwait ethnically cleansed 200,000 Palestinians because they did not want an enemy group living within its sovereign territory. So it is fair to say that after starting the October War, the Hamas government of the State of Gaza/Palestine is going to pay a price. Whether its moving the 'refugee" population to another place so that rebuilding can begin, or its formulation of a plan for the citizens of gaza, remains to be seen.
So the questions remain:
Are Palestinians refugees? If so they have no claim to ethnic cleansing since Gaza is not their homeland. If they are refugees then they can be freely moved out of the territory, so which is it? You cannot be both a refugee and a citizen of a nation.
Is Gaza a sovereign nation? if so and then there can be no ethnic cleansing because this is a verified nation state, then the people of gaza need to be held responsible for the genocidal war that their government began and there needs to be consequences. They also are not refugees but citizens of the nation of Gaza/Palestine. What those consequences should be is anyone's guess, but I would look toward how the allies dealt with Germany and Japan after WW2.
So which is it - refugee or citizen? Nation state or refugee camp, albeit a refugee camp with a tourism bureau (videos were up on YouTube), mansions, equestrian clubs, designer malls, and luxury cars, but a refugee camp anyway?
So here is the interesting thing- there has been 2 tiers of refugee status in the world since 1948. There is the refugee status of the Palestinian arab who even though a citizen of a country say like the US they are still considered refugees, or the rest of the world that once a person gets to a new country and are processed into that nation, and their future children are born, they are no longer refugees but citizens of their new country. They lose refugee status. Maybe it's time that the world makes the Palestinians follow the rules that everyone else in the world follows. If this is the only thing to come out of Mara-Gaza it would be just fine. That is what the world needs to teach the Palestinians, not Jeffersonian democracy.
100%!!!
Nothing wrong with reposting a worthwhile comment, especially when it is long and detailed. You and Kelli get it, and it seems so obvious it's incredible others are oblivious or brain dead to the obvious. Is Gaza an "open air prison" or not? An open air prison you don't want to leave? Give me a break. The oldest actual refugee from the 1948 war the Arab nations waged on Israel would now be 78, assuming they fled Israel to escape the war when they were 1 year old. I think Israel would allow all Palestinian refugees, those who fled Israel in 1948, to return under some peace treaty provided other Palestinians agreed to stop waging war on Israel.
Exactly right Steve.
And whilst I don’t want to give Trump too much credit, can this be what he was hoping to highlight, because if so, it was genius!
I don’t know if Trump even thought about any of that. I think he saw a huge financial possibility and so did others in his little circle. But they also saw the truth and that is Gaza is a bombed out hellscape and humans really cannot exist there if they want any kind of future until its rebuilt.
Palestine is the tip of an Islamist spear pointed directly at the heart of the Judeo-Christian world, weaponised by Marxists to destroy the Western capitalist system and bring about a proletarian revolution. You only have to examine the post-1970 history of Iran to see how the union of Islamists and Marxists works in practice, for those who threw their lot in with the Khomeini revolution were quickly dispensed with by the Islamic revolutionaries.
Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in 1928 to reconstitute the Islamic caliphate in the wake of the destruction of the Ottoman Empire. The Muslim Brotherhood received funding and support from Nazi Germany during the 1930s and 1940s, its foremost figurehead being Haj Amin al-Husseini, a relative of Yasser Arafat. It therefore comes as no surprise that Mein Kampf remains a best seller not only in Gaza and the West Bank, but in many other Arab countries.
Both Hamas and Fatah are committed to the destruction of the State of Israel and harbour a visceral hatred of Jews. The only thing that separates them is the question of the use of warfare, to which Hamas is wedded, while Fatah today prefers lawfare.
Make no mistake that anyone who espouses the cause of Palestinianism is either a committed Islamist, neo-Nazi, or Marxist, or else a useful idiot willing to be exploited by these extreme forces, who remain dedicated to the cause of extinguishing the Jewish people.
Bravo 👏 💯.
Five times since 1936 the Palestinians have rejected a two state solution. The first offer in 1936 would have given them 80% of the land and the Jews 20%. The Jews said yes, the Palestinians said no. Twice since then they were offered a solution that included East Jerusalem as their capital. Each time they refused and returned to attacking Israel with the aim of claiming everything, “from the river to the sea.” Let them suffer the consequences of their behavior and evict them to Arab states such as Jordan (70% Palestinian) and Egypt. Gaza was part of Egypt until the Six Day War in 1967. Israel tried to give it back to them but Egypt refused to take it back! No surprise there. Or perhaps they can join their sponsors in Iran. Stop rewarding them with billions of dollars in aid money with the delusion that somehow this time they will behave differently, The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Time to set limits and allow the Arab world and Israel to make peace and promote prosperity in the Middle East.
Nearly 3000 Gazan refugees arrive with no security checks?
So what are the chances that we now have members of Hamas living amongst us?
Or at least Islamist sympathisers at the very least least.
Sometimes, being unfriended is verification you stand by your principles.
Sometimes God does for you what you can’t do for yourself 😊
This is very insightful and compassionate. Sadly we are living in a world that prefers to pour billions of dollars into arming and pandering to ignorant, miserable people who live in rubble; instead of feeding, clothing, housing and educating them so that they can thrive and be free somewhere else.
The double-think of ‘we are refugees’ and ‘we are in our ancestral homeland’ comes from wanting to double-dip on claiming victimization any way they can and relying on their eternal supporters to be as self-deluded as ever.
What's really happening is the Palestinians are looking for ways to justify what they actually want, which is the annihilation of Israel. And it tracks that they'll do and say whatever it takes to reach their goal, no matter how shameless the lie. After all, large portions of the world have been so eager to believe and disseminated those lies, and cast a blind eye to the contradictions.
We are victims in an open prison = Israel bad.
We are being ethnically cleansed from our homeland= Israel bad.
What they're really suggesting is that Gaza is fragmented. That while it is PART of their homeland, they are still refugees until ALL of Israel becomes their homeland. This is how they rationalize their position.
This doublethink also embraces the idea that it is right and noble to try to genocide Israelis in the most brutal manner possible, while demanding tons of aid trucks from them. To think of how many people are hypnotized by this deranged logic is terrifying. This narrative must be exposed, ridiculed, and rewritten to restore moral order and reason.
Hypocrites do not care about logic. Their contradictory arguments are purely emotional and meant to inflame the emotions of others. So let's not be surprised if Kelli's airtight arguments fall on deaf ears. I wish we knew how to word arguments to make irrational people listen.
In my opinion, irrational religion is the culprit underlying countless hypocrisies. Christian anti-Semitism long predated Muslim anti-Semitism when Christians viewed Jews as "Christ-killers." This anti-Semitic epithet is irrational for several reasons. One is that, according to Christianity, God wanted to sacrifice Jesus (a Jew) to redeem humanity, so why blame Judas (or anyone) for helping to carry out God's will?
More importantly, modern Jews did not kill Jesus, so anger against them is misplaced. We are not responsible for the behavior of our ancestors, whatever their alleged misbehavior. It is totally irrational to seek reparations from, or retribution against, the descendants of long-dead people who allegedly mistreated one's ancestors.
Oh, how weary I grow of humanity's irrational emotions.
Tariff $ accrue to domestic governments to begin with but the costs are impinged upon consumers in all ‘competing’ countries. Prices increase for imported goods, sales slump, Supply chains are destroyed, goods are cut off, shortages occur, prices skyrocket, deprivation occurs in industry and jobs are lost or suspended, contracts are cancelled, supply stops, demand cannot be met because trade stops, tariffs are therefore not collected, domestic GDP falls because production and sales stop, taxes are not collected, governments are deprived of normal tax revenues and can’t meet own budgets, all social payments like pensions and social payments stop. Governments fall, health care systems and education crumble, all government operations cease to provide for citizens, EVERYTHING STOPS
Domestic industries cannot always be re-tooled quickly to allow countries to Buy (Home) goods so the Promise of ‘independence’ for domestic economies is a ‘lie’ that will never come true.
A tariff or world trade ‘war’ would put the everyday people 🌎 in very deep trouble all around the 🌍 world
Too much of the world’s capital is ‘invested’ in crypto - which has always been a Ponzi scheme at heart - and produces nothing in terms of real goods and services for the world relative to what is invested instead of being invested in industry and companies that ‘produce’ goods and services
If crypto fails, and it will if big rich ‘investors’ start withdrawing their capital trillions and trillions upon trillions (quadrillions) will be lost disappearing into cyberspace
THE WORLD is in trouble because of what is threatening - TARIFFS - a domino effect would occur around the world as countries try to ‘protect’ themselves with escalating competing tariffs that only drive their own economies downwards
The rich are in power - and the rest of the world would be poor in many ways, not just monetarily - the New World Order is about to take over.
This is George Orwell’s “1984” about to happen.
3 Superpowers ran the World of “1984”
A world of destitution, privation, and persecution at the hands of the “thought police”. People are being jailed for their opinions. That is already happening in the UK. The “Online Harms Act” is ready to go in Canada. Virtually the whole world is online and trackable and traceable. The Police are showing up at people’s doors in the UK for criticisms of the Labour Party and assorted online ‘aggressions’ for ‘words’ on Facebook. The world is ready to crumble at the hands of its own governments.
The ‘Axis of Evil’ is massive and it’s growing fast.
Government Tariffs are going to reduce the world to poverty. Oppressive governments are in power. This is the ‘New World Order’ about to happen
The RICH and POWERFUL remain in power and and the WHOLE REST of the WORLD is POOR, not just monetarily, but in terms of everything that they can’t get their hands on in economies that are downsized to the bare minimum - complete government control of everything.
This is the END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT COMING SOON
This is the ‘Project’ of the “New World Order”
WW3 ‘Trade War’ Begins with Tariffs
Protest Tariffs in any country you live in.
Share. Restack, Restack and Restack
THE RICH AND POWERFUL WILL BE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO AREN’T POOR and PERSECUTED
AND IF I’m wrong, and worldwide tariffs are halted, the world remains as it is. Nothing happens. For now. The world just continues on the lunatical path it is already on.
Maybe this "press release" from Trump wasn't really dark satire after all:
https://mdavis19881.substack.com/p/press-release-exciting-news-from
Kelli, I align with you in so many ways, love what you love and hate what you hate, but I gotta admit that the idea of a "hypocrite detector" has me just a little bit nervous. Maybe it's just me?